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Wednesday, July 01, 2009

faith ‘in the beginning’

 

You know, I just can’t get over how Hebrews 11, the great faith chapter, opens up.  It absolutely blows me away.  It consumed me Monday night as I tried to go to sleep.  Why had I never noticed this before?  Why does no one preach and teach what it reveals?

 

Before touching on what a single hero of the faith did in faith to gain God’s approval, the chapter opens with these words:

 

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the men of old gained approval. By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. Heb 11:1-3 (NASB)

 

I have long believed that what one believes about origins and the age of the earth is indeed a reflection about what one believes about the Father, the Son, the Gospel and the authority of Scripture.

 

Faith is the conviction of things not seen.

 

Let’s face it … we can never see or recreate what happened ‘in the beginning’.  One who believes in creation cannot scientifically recreate and test what he or she believes occurred.  One who believes in evolution cannot scientifically recreate and test what he or she believes occurred. All one can do is examine the historical evidence … the same historical evidence.  Whatever either proponent (or the great variation of mixed bag origin champions) chooses to believe is typically based on presuppositions and he or she is taking a step of faith based on those presuppositions.

 

So then the author of Hebrews follows up with what the presupposition of a believer should be …

 

By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

 

You know what the pivotal word is in this passage?  We.  It occurs nowhere else in all of Hebrews 11.  The entire chapter is about the works of faith done by Old Testament saints … works we are not called to duplicate.  BUT regarding belief in creation, we (both new and old covenant saints) by faith understand that God spoke the worlds into existence.

 

By faith the men of old gained the approval of God.

 

WOW!  Check out these Genesis highlights …

 

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

 

Day 1 - Then God said, "Let there be light."

 

Day 2 - Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."

 

Day 3 - Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear."

 

Day 4 - Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth."

 

Day 5 - Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens."

 

Day 6 - Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind."  Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness."

 

And it was so …

 

FAITH ISSUE #1:  Do we believe that God, simply by what He said, spoke all of creation into existence?

 

Note the first point regarding God that Paul made to the men of Athens in his sermon at Mars Hill:

 

The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist , as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.' Acts 17:24-28 (NASB)

 

This was not a point the apostles needed to make with Jewish listeners because they already understood and embraced these foundational truths from the writings of Moses.

 

FAITH ISSUE #2: Do we believe that we are God’s children and therefore He is not only our Father and Creator but also the creator of all things?

 

What we choose to believe about our origins and the age of the earth can and often does undermine both the authority of Scripture (not only in Genesis but throughout Scripture) and the very Gospel itself.

 

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. Heb 1:1-2 (NASB)

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1:1-3 (NASB)

 

ALL THINGS came into existence through Christ Jesus and apart from Him NOTHING came into existence … this is critical truth.

 

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.  Rev 22:13 (NASB)

 

FAITH ISSUE #3:  Do we believe that all things came into existence ‘in the beginning’ through our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus the Son?

 

After day 6 of creation …

 

God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. Gen 1:31 (NASB)

 

FAITH ISSUE #4:  Do we believe God would see death, disease and suffering as ‘very good’?

 

IF the earth is millions or billions of years old and man has only existed a small portion of that life cycle, then death, disease and suffering existed long before Adam and Eve’s sin … and therefore death is not the wages of sin and places the entire concept of the gospel in question …

 

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 (NASB)

 

And suddenly these biblical passages are also without authority …

 

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.


But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.


So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:12-21 (NASB)

 

FAITH ISSUE #5:  Does what we believe about our origins and the age of the earth impact what we believe about God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Gospel and the authority of Scripture?

 

As the Lord leads you personally; consider the above, testing what is offered against the entirety of Scripture and according to the interpretation of the Holy Spirit then examine and assess where you stand according to …

 

faith ‘in the beginning’.

 

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This is a truly outstanding post. I'm going to link to you today!
Posted 7/1/2009 8:07 AM by FKIProfessor Xanga True Member - reply

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Amazing job- one might think you work for AiG, lol!
Posted 7/1/2009 8:15 AM by PreciousOnyx - reply

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Hebrews 11:6

It's impossible to please God apart from faith. And why? Because anyone who wants to approach God must believe both that he exists and that he cares enough to respond to those who seek him.

Love that verse as well. Made me realize God wants us just to have faith in Him. It's a matter of trust.
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Playing devil's advocate, why couldn't death have only applied to man in the Romans passage--not to animals?  Why should animals be held responsible for man's sin?  Wouldn't death in the Romans passage only apply to man?

Posted 7/1/2009 8:33 AM by soccerdadforlife - reply

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One who believes in evolution cannot scientifically recreate and test what he or she believes occurred.


False and misleading. Evolution as NOTHING to do with the origin of the cosmos. The claims of evolution can and have been amply demonstrated. The end.

Posted 7/1/2009 8:38 AM by In_Reason_I_Trust Xanga True Member - reply

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Thanks Bernie for teh comments... great post here! Be blessed!
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Wonderful write. Judi
Posted 7/1/2009 2:20 PM by jassmine Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Well said! I was amazed when during a Bible study at church, I realized that I am in the faith chapter because of my belief in Creation. Many will be saved because of their faith in the coming of the Lord Jesus who they did not see and many will be saved because of their faith in Jesus who they not seeing believed that Jesus came to earth and died on the cross for their sins.

Many are living in Faith believing in the soon return of Jesus to take them to Heaven!
Posted 7/1/2009 2:36 PM by HopeForTomorrowMinistry - reply

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REALLY good point about sin and death and the fall.  I just explained to my 10 yr old (who's really interested in science) what you said about Adam and Eve and the fall.  If the world had been around for millions of years, when people came along, then Adam and Eve in the garden wouldn't have been the beginning of death (spiritual and physical).  And since Scripture is our starting point, theistic evolution becomes impossible. 
Posted 7/1/2009 2:38 PM by Anothermadhousewife - reply

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What you believe about where the earth and all its creatures came from is absolutely foundational to the rest of your beliefs. If you believe you are the result of a series of random events, your place and purpose in the world would seem random as well. Thus it would seem logical to assume that nothing any of us does is of any particular value or detriment. How then does one explain the presence of conscience or compassion? Every person should decide what their position is on the origin of man.


Item #4 was something I had not thought of in this context. I will ponder further.


I was wondering why you skipped over the first part of the first line of the text from Hebrews 11: "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for,"? That's where a definition is given. Always a good place to begin.

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What catches my eye here, today, if the world "worlds" in the 3rd verse.  That is rendered as plural.  If we were to take this translation literally, we would have to ascribe to the writer a knowledge that there are more than one planet circling the sun.  And if we extend that, perhaps more than one habitable world in the galaxy/universe.


However, according to Strongs Concordance, the word is better translated as "ages," which renders and entirely different interpretation.  Strong's also suggests that in Heb 11:3 the intent is to refer to "great occurances which took [past tense] place in the universe" during the creation and primarily has a physical meaning of time.  How an age, or a period of time, is "prepared" I can not say. 

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@FKIProfessor - thanks Lance on both counts!


@PreciousOnyx - thank you ... there is no doubt the Lord has influenced me greatly thru the ministries of both Answers In Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research (ICR).  I'll take your words as a great complement.


@LifeNeedsProtection - so true ... thanks for the additional emphasis you placed on this verse in your comment.


@soccerdadforlife - I am wrestling with your questions and hope to respond in post format in the next few days.  Thanks for challenging me to think this thru even farther than I already have ...


@In_Reason_I_Trust - Appreciate you stopping by and making your thoughts known on the topic.


@xangpastor - you are welcome ... and thanks Phil!


@jassmine - thanks Judi!


@HopeForTomorrowMinistry - a great realization ... by our belief in creation, we find ourselves in the great chapter a faith.  Cool insight ... thanks for sharing!!!


@Anothermadhousewife - what an encouraging comment and it so good to hear what was offered was timely for your 10 year old ... I encourage you to keep active in teaching your child the truth because the world can and will so easily lead him or her away from the truth.  www.AnswersInGenesis.org offers a lot of online resources and also books and DVDs geared to tweens and teens that could be helpful.  Raise up your children in the way the Lord leads you!!!  Thanks again for the very encouraging comment!  Be blessed IN Christ Jesus and His love!  Bernie


@Cello_geek - As always test what you read here according to the Scripture and by the Holy Spirit ... and I appreciate the many good points in your comment.  But your comment about skipping over Hebrews 11:1 baffles me because it is the thrid paragraph down.  Did I misunderstand the point your were making?  Or were you maybe referring to yesterday's post? 


@thereluctantsinger - an interesting observation re: worlds that I had really not picked up on.  Thanks for pointing it out and expanding upon it!

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@In_Reason_I_Trust - Evolution has been demonstrated by your gnome experimentalists.  lol

Posted 7/1/2009 9:57 PM by soccerdadforlife - reply

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Yes, Paul's preaching in the Pauline Epistles quite often are ignored by many preachers today. That is why you haven't seen this preached much. And even quite often the verses not ignored are quoted in a piece meal fashion making it easier to manipulate the meaning, a sort of [the end justifys the means] scriptural interpretation. What does it matter how scripture is hacked to pieces as long as a certain church dogma and doctrine are supported. Anybody who questions this common practice are then ignored or accussed of insobordination. Quite often the person that interprets like this will have a point to make and then look for scripture to support the church dogma. This is why you haven't seen Hebrews 11 preached on much. This is why a good portion of the Pauline Epistles are wholy ignored.


I know I keep hitting on this same theme over that last five years but people need to know the truth. People have got to start reading the Pauline Epistles more that are being ignored by the preachers. this was a really good post Bernie, thanks.

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Very good stuff to think on!! Thanks Bernie!
Bee
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Nicely done! God is certainly saying something to me today..my own thoughts/post were not totally unrelated..I was thinking along the lines of seeing the wonder and nature of God in what He's created...and here you are with this beautiful entry...

thank you
Jim
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I was thinking on this a little more. Last night in our study of Joel, we were got to talking about spiritual warfare and how the battles fought through the ages, as well as spiritual battles, are all battles for the minds of men. John opens his Gospel by refering to our Lord as the Divine Logos - the expression of the Divine Mind of God. God spoke the universe and life into existence. There is a divine continuity between creation and Christ that is so seldom noticed, yet so starkly evident.
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@FKIProfessor - "A divine continuity between creation and Christ that is so seldom noticed, yet so starkly evident." WOW!  And that IMHO or perhaps in my bold opinion, is why belief in anything other than creation undermines and diminishes one's belief in Christ because you do not truly realize Who He is!  Thanks for coming back and leaving this thought provoking comment Lance!

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@RobertLeeRE - Robert, I encourage you to keep hitting on what you sense the Lord convicting you to proclaim ... never letting up.  Also, thanks for the encouragement regarding the post.


@BeeyondSight - You are welcome Bee ... may you and yours have an excellent holiday weekend!


@jimmish - Isn't it amazing how our almighty Creator and Conductor orchestrates His creation to speak to us in so many ways?  Amazing God indeed ... you are welcome!  And God is deserving of ALL our thankfulness and praise!

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I pressed the button about twenty times. Sadly, I think it only recommended it once.


(1) YES! (2) YES! (3) YES! (4) NOT AT ALL (in context with "and saw that it was good")!


(5) (may surprise you) No. What I believe about origins doesn't impact what I believe about the Father, Son, Spirit. I've always said that what I know about the Father, Son, Spirit has impacted what I believe about the origins. (6 day literal spoken into existence good creation - young earth)



I don't believe this because of the multitude of evidence for it, though there be it. I don't believe this because of some inherent desire to argue with "rationalists"



I believe it because I believe my Father. I've seen Him. It doesn't affect how I see Him, He affects how I see it.

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@James3_1 - EXCELLENT answer and clarification regarding question 5 ... I agree. Thanks for the recommendation!

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I don't think evolution, properly understood, is a threat to the Bible or to the Christian faith. Yes, those evolution claims which tries to make it a string of cosmic coincidences without a Divine cause are errors. However, when one believes that all is from God and nothing exists apart from God, then it is not difficult to accept that God could have used evolution as the way He said "Let there be..."

We need to remember: The Bible is inerrant. Our personal interpretation of it is not. It seems to me that before we argue: The Bible is inerrant. The Bible said 6 days. Therefore evolution is false, we need to determine whether the Bible was intended to be understood in terms of literal days or not.

The faith is true. We have no need to fear true science as truth cannot contradict truth. However, when it comes to you or I personally reading the Bible, we need to remember we can err.

So, let's be careful when we present the Bible to the world, we present the Bible and not what we think the Bible means.

Just my $0.02

Edit: Since it might be unclear from the above, I am not saying Faith needs to yield to science. Rather I am saying that for science which is true, it will not contradict the truth of Christ. If there seems to be a conflict, we do need to determine whether the error is in the claim of science or in our understanding of Scripture
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@Arnobius_of_Sicca -  Just a question - what do you do with the above presented scriptures that intone, quite clearly, that He "spoke" things into existence, and secondly, why do we need evolution? What is the basis for desiring or in some cases demanding that evolution be a part of the process?


I expect to hear that science has proven it's existence. I would say that science also proved a number of things that science later disproved.


My big question... Why?

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Just some more thinking... Day 1-6... Not a single one of those things has changed since then. Light is still light. Water is still water. There are still separations between earth and ocean and sky.  None of those things have changed.



So - WHY?

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@James3_1 - 

I think you misunderstand me. I don't think faith in Christ should be made to bend to science. However, an awful lot of misunderstandings have been made over what people thought the Bible said (geocentrism vs heliocentrism anyone?)

Of Bernie's 5 faith issues, I see four of them entirely without concern with the proper God centered view of creation and the possibility of evolution as His means of creation.

Remember The Bible said God created the Universe. It didn't say how it came to be when He said "Let there be..."

The only "Faith Issue" that needs to be debated is #4. The verses Bernie cites refers to the death of man and does not comment on the death of creatures: Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

"Death through sin" is an interesting way to express it. One could make a case that animals were not intended for immortality as man was. After all, if it was through the sin of man, death entered the world, what justice is it for animals to die for the sins of man? Animals cannot sin. Man sins, man dies.

I do not believe Paul was speaking of how the world was created in Genesis, but was speaking of how Adam's sin affected all of his offspring.

Now don't get me wrong. if you believe Creationism better fits an explanation of how the universe came to be (the theory of Evolution certainly has problems in explaining how man came to be) then go for it.

Just be very certain that your belief is based on what the Bible says and not a fear that if Evolution is true then the Bible must be false
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