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Thursday, April 23, 2009

alarming numbers regarding pastors

 

I need to make a confession here.  Back in the late 90’s I left a church because they were getting ready to send out a statistical survey to the surrounding neighborhood that would be used to determine future direction.  Also, I wrote some posts back in the fall discussing some of the ways political surveys could be manipulated to provide the desired results based on the manipulation of the sampling population and how exactly the survey questions were constructed and posed.

 

So I know there is indeed some risk in evaluating anything based on survey results.  So in all the surveys offered this week, we should indeed consider was there some bias in those conducting the survey or possibly some underlying motive that would predicate such results.

 

At the same time, looking at a number of different surveys on different topics that seem together to give the same poor health report on Christianity, the church and individual faith in America, does indeed increase my concern for the body of Christ.

 

Please consider these pastoral and church statistics in light of the Holy Spirit survey results and also the various survey results regarding Biblical illiteracy and see what conclusions you come to (IF YOU ARE A PASTOR, please share how your own experiences seem to refute some of these findings … or confirms them.).

 

  • 1,500 pastors leave the church every month due to moral failure, spiritual burnout or contention in their churches.
  • 1,300 pastors are terminated by the local church every month, many without cause.
  • 90% of the pastors surveyed feel they are inadequately trained to cope with the ministry demands.
  • 50% (another survey indicated 80%) of the pastors starting out will leave the ministry within 5 years.
  • Only 10% will make it thru a lifetime of pastoral work to retirement.
  • 50% of pastors’ marriages will end in divorce
  • 70% of pastors constantly fight depression.
  • 70% of pastors feel grossly underpaid (I wonder if those two statistics are related).
  • 40% of pastors confess to having an extra-marital affair since starting their ministry.
  • The majority of pastor’s wives surveyed (one survey reports this at 80%) said that the most destructive event that has occurred in their marriage and family was the day they entered ministry.
  • In 2007, over 4,000 churches closed their doors.
  • The profession of  “Pastor” is near the bottom of a survey of the most-respected professions, just above “car salesman”.

There are a number of dimensions to this post and pastoral analysis.  A good place to start is with pastor (or shepherd) Moses …

 

All the people perceived the thunder and the lightning flashes and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood at a distance. Then they said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die." Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid; for God has come in order to test you, and in order that the fear of Him may remain with you, so that you may not sin." So the people stood at a distance, while Moses approached the thick cloud where God was.  Ex 20:18-21 (NASB)

 

God’s invitation was to all the people … but the people didn’t want to get too close to God.  They wanted someone else do it and they’d just hear it second hand. 

 

The same invitation and expectation of God is there today.  But the people today would rather not get too close … let the pastor talk to God and he can then tell us second hand.  That is not what Jesus intended and the people placing that expectation upon the pastor are oftentimes the cause of many of the problems described above.  Since when does it make sense for the sheep to tell the shepherd what to do?

 

On the other hand and interestingly enough, most modern Bible translations only offer the term ‘pastor’ in one verse of Scripture:

 

And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. Eph 4:11-13 (NASB)

 

Pastor has a few more references in the KJV, primarily in the form of warnings from the prophet Jeremiah.  I find it odd that subsequent translations changed the Jeremiah translation use … but then the use of the term pastor as a role and title only became widespread after the publishing of the KJV.

 

While some might suggest the following passages could provide more insight into the roles and responsibilities of a pastor, some translations describe this role instead as the bishop … this gets so confusing.

 

It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 1 Tim 3:1-7 (NASB)

 

Please note Who makes one an overseer or pastor according to Scripture … and in the following passage who appoints them …

 

Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears. And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified. I have coveted no one's silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'  Acts 20:28-35 (NASB)

 

For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. Titus 1:5-11 (NASB)

 

Based on the Scripture passages offered above and the pastoral survey results offered earlier, what sort of conclusions might you arrive at regarding the role of the pastor as defined in many churches today and the men who fill it?

 

Afterword:  Here are the KJV passages regarding pastors …

 

The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit. Jer 2:8 (KJV) (NASB used rulers instead)

 

And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. Jer 3:15 (KJV) (NASB used shepherds instead)

 

For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered. Jer 10:21 (KJV) (NASB used shepherds instead)

 

Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness. Jer 12:10 (KJV) (NASB used shepherds instead)

 

The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness. Jer 22:22 (KJV) (NASB used shepherds instead)

 

Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Jer 23:1 (KJV) (NASB used shepherds instead)

 

Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. Jer 23:2 (KJV) (NASB used shepherds instead)

 

Any thoughts or inspiration as to why the term would have been changed subsequent to the KJV?

 

Have you ever encountered any pastors in your journey of faith who fit the descriptions offered by the prophet Jeremiah in the KJV?

 

Is there a message in these references we should be heeding as a warning in the elevated role many (but not all) a senior pastor holds?

 

Please remember the following in ALL teaching that you consider!


Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Matt 7:15 (NASB)

 

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2 Peter 2:1-3 (NASB)

 

My prayer and hope is that your church has a pastor just like the passages describe above and all these statistics and ideas seem ‘out there’.  I encourage you to stop for a moment and THANK GOD for providing a pastor who fulfills the expectation described in Ephesians 4 and fulfilling the promise He offered thru the prophet Jeremiah:

 

And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

 

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wow..... Those Stats are very startling, As a young man feeling the Call to the Ministry this was very interesting to me. 50% of Marraiges fail when you go into Ministry????? thats insane ! the affairs question was insane as well. Leaving the Ministry after 5 years? wow these are some very VERY startiling Statistics!!!!!! We all need to get back to the Basics, get back to the Bible, and get back on our knees and seek Gods Will. Very interesting Brother Bernie! oh and by the way I LOVE FEE !!!!! THEY ARE AMAZING !!!!!  I have that album and ive listened to it probably a million times lol Glorious One is probably my favorite song by FEE !!!!!! Anyways You have an awesome day brother and hope to talk to you soon ! Be Blessed !
Posted 4/23/2009 11:01 AM by PreachingGodsWord Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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I recently was considering that passage Ex 20:18-21. It is an amazing passage. And what I got was totally different. I'm so blessed to have your posts to read. I don't know that things are really so bleak - there's a difference between people in professional ministry and born again Christ followers at work for the kingdom. There really shouldn't be, but there is. Jesus' disciples weren't the profession type either, for what its worth.
Posted 4/23/2009 12:29 PM by FKIProfessor Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@PreachingGodsWord - Josh, be sensitive to the Lord's leading ... all these statistics simply suggest that a calling to be a minister, a pastor, a preacher should not be entered into lightly ... and  to beware of the pressures that people of the flock will unfairly and unduly place upon you.  Definitely go as the Lord leads, just go with eyes open wide and as Jesus says count the cost. 

I really like Steve Fee and crew as well.  I never really understood why he did not end up being one of the Passion worship leaders full time.  I was in college ministry the first few years of this milennium and spent some time at passion events and also a Northpoint Community Church for a college thing they had called 7:22 ... Steve Fee was frequently the worship leader of choice for those weekly gatherings on Tuesday nights.  Another worship leader out of that same church who is now also with Passion is Kristian Stanfill who just this week released a CD titled 'Attention' - I have been listening to it the last few days and it has some really good songs on.  If you like Fee, you may like this as well.

Abide IN Christ Jesus, His love and His words dear brother!

Bernie

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WOW Thanks for the info and doing all the research for us.
Posted 4/23/2009 12:41 PM by Mighty_Men_of_Valor Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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I think that it might be good to read a book like "Pagan Christianity?" to see what George Barna has to say about those statistics. It is far too much for me to explain it in a comment!
Posted 4/23/2009 12:48 PM by jmallory Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@jmallory - Yes indeed.  The version of 'Pagan Christianity' initially self-published by Frank Viola 10 years or so ago was both dangerous and revolutionary and extremely enlightening and convicting to me at the time.  The revised version with some help from Barna made it a bit more readable and popular.  As was Barna's book Revolution.  Also, Barna offers a wealth of surveys and results on their website.  Excellent recommendations - thank you!

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@bwebbjr -  Thanks Bernie, I truly do feel and have felt for some time that God has called me into Ministry. I am not taking it lightly in fact, I am very serious about it. Thank you for your words of encouragement and understanding about it.

never heard of  Kristian Stanfill, but have heard of the Passion Worship Band and yeah they are good !!!!! I may have to check that one out thanks for the recommendation. I LOVE music. I only listen to Christian music, but I have a vast array from the likes of Steve Fee, to The Statesmen Quartet and all the old Southern Gospel Groups, my music taste is extremely broad and I like just about everything that Glorifys God.

 Anyways Bernie I know if its God's Will which I believe it is, that He will be with me and He will Bless my Ministry. I am confidently relying on God to use me for His purpose and His plan not mine. He is good and I only wish to Serve Him better and know Him better.

 Brother Bernie you really are a Blessing, I try to comment on your posts when I can, but I do read just about all of them and I want to thank you for just being there and for letting God use you, you are a great guy! I am Blessed to have people around me such as you as my friend ! Be Blessed and enjoy the rest of your day my Brother in Christ !!!

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Read both your statistical articles. No wonder the Antichrist will rule so quickly and thoroughly. The people are already deceived!

From the Back Pew to the Highest Pulpit there is a dearth lack of Christ in the church. People lacking the Holy Spirit.

If you've got the Spirit you will enjoy reading your Bible. If the Pastor has the Holy Spirit, God will fortify the man for the job. Those fired without reason are probably those who preached the word without fear or favour, and the congregation or church system couldn't tolerate that.

Most people want someone else to live their Holy life so they can go on sinning and make heaven. A man preaches the true Word will probably have very few followers (but they will be the most loyal ones too).

Most pastors lack the essential ingredient of the Holy Spirit (they substituted a Seminary experience for it). Then the enemy has many snares out to seduce those with a genuine call to cripple them or remove them.

Yes the above has a few generalized statements, but one could write a whole book on what's wrong with the Church system, the people who help it (either from the pew or pulpit).

The message is get "people to Christ". Really converted.

But alas as the Scripture says for this dark age "REVELATION 3:16
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

REVELATION 3:17
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:"

There is a drought in the land for the real truth and the people don't want it.
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@Mighty_Men_of_Valor - You are welcome Chris ... thanks for reading and commenting!

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@FKIProfessor - Hi Lance.  I would certainly be interested in hearing what you got out of that passage.  I think as believers we all can learn a lot from 'one another'.  That's the shame in the stage - audience set up and it is a shame both for those on the stage and those in the audience.  I truly believe that the church Jesus is building is strong and growing ... I just happen to think that church looks a lot different than what the world and oftentimes Christianity sees.  I think these surveys don't necessarily reveal a problem with those who are following Jesus but instead reveal a large group of people who may not be.  As you may suggest, what these numbers are revealing is a problem with the profession not those called by God as shepherds.  The two can be radically different.  Good thought provoking comment.  thanks for the encouragement brother ...

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@PreachingGodsWord - Somebody else with music taste ranging from folks like Steve Fee to good old Southern Gospel ... most folks think I have a music disease when I confess that.  There are a number of local southern gospel groups from North Caroline that I really enjoy.  Passion - Tomlin, David Crowder, Charlie Hall and Matt Redman are all worship leaders for Passion.  Be sensitive and obedient to the Lord's leading for your ministry.  And never let the ministry take the place due the Lord.  Always be more concerned with the Lord of the work than the work of the Lord ... if that makes sense.  We are indeed blessings to each other and that is as the Lord intended for which we both can be thankful.  Thanks for the encouragement Josh ...

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@eagleendtime - An extremely insightful and applicable comment dear brother ... thanks for making the connection between the surveys.  May the Lord open eyes and draw men unto Himself!

Be blessed IN Christ Jesus and His Love!

Bernie

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Just glanced quickly through your entry & didn't go through the comments since I'm tired tonight having just returned from a ministry conference. While I was there I heard some of these stats...the thing is, I think everyone who is called initially never understands how they could possibly fail. They feel infallible. I went to a workshop on finishing well in ministry. Well, the average age was pretty high. In fact, I'd mentioned to a seminary student that I would be taking that workshop. His reply: "I don't think I need to think about that now." From my interaction w/ this student, I wouldn't question that this young man has a true heart for God and ministry, but we are so easily deceived, we always think it couldn't happen to us, though it might happen to "someone else." We all are prone to wander......(Probably will eventually post on this & swipe/reedit my comment here.) Until you've really been through the fire, you can't understand the temptations you'll face, and really see how weak and totally insufficient you are apart from Christ.

Of course, there's also the whole point that many who enter ministry are not called to ministry. I think that also explains a lot of the high drop-out rate.

And finally, anyone who is trying to walk in obedience to Christ will experience a higher level of spiritual warfare...
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@naphtali_deer - all excellent points Karen ... and as Jesus said 'Who would enter a battle without first counting the cost?'  Oftentimes we sell Christianity as a 'smooth sailing' religion and I believe by doing so do a great deal fo disservice ... every minister-to-be should have to do an in-depth study on Paul.  Think that might prepare them?

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@eagleendtime - Amen re: your comments about the Holy Spirit...and there is a drought in the land for Truth, but let's be praying for people to get tired of the stagnant waters and thirsty for the living water and then as we keep drinking of the living water of Christ, it will bubble up and flow out through us to them.

@bwebbjr - I have similar concerns about the stage-audience set-up...I go back and forth about what I think about "paid" ministry.

@bwebbjr - I think you really can't be prepared. You can take all the courses, read all the books, but when you get into daily ministry, you are dealing with people and you can't control them. They're not a nice little problem to be solved as part of an essay question...

In answer to your question, I would say we look at Paul for sure and how he was driven, constrained by the love of Christ, you also have to look at the failures, e.g.-Peter and David, to see that you are going to be tempted, you are going to stumble and fall. And then to see how you deal with that. I think we can learn an awful lot from the negative examples. We don't just look at them, but we need to remember that we are nothing apart from the grace of God. I Cor. 15:10. And of course, we need to keep going deeper w/ Jesus, the Word and prayer, in order for the Gospel to really take root in our lives, so we're living out what we're teaching/preaching.

And then we must be praying for a love for God and His Gospel and for the flock. I think one of the most important passages for Christian ministry is Acts 20, that interaction w/ Paul & the Ephesian elders tells us so much about what ministry is all about. It's Paul putting all the doctrine into practice there.
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@bwebbjr - I've listened to Pagan Christianity and it changed my thinking about organized church.  My concerns are many but one of the main ones is "the sermon".  What if you have questions or disagreements about what is said?  I understand there must be order so questions and disagreement can't be brought up during the sermon otherwise chaos would set in, but why not have a question and answer period after the sermon?

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40% of pastors confess to having an extra-marital affair since starting their ministry. One statistic you didn't mention is: What percentage have looked at pornography?  Ravi Zacharias related a story some time ago.  He arrived at a 3 day long pastors conference (I don't remember where) and had witnessed to the manager of the hotel where he was staying and the conference was to be held.  The man was quite receptive but wanted to think about it.  He didn't have a chance to speak to him again but made it a point to talk to him some more after conference was over.  When he went to pay his bill he asked to speak to the manager but when he approached the manager was stone cold about the subject.  Ravi wondered why and ask what made him change his mind.  He answered that he didn't want to have anything to do with Christ because of their hypocisy!  He said that over half of the pastors had watched pay-per-view porn and he had the bills to prove it!

The pastor of my church has said he has never seen a pornographic  image in his life!  

I'll admit, I've strugled with porn.  In todays society it not easy to beat, but God willing and by His grace, I'll never go back to it again!

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@naphtali_deer - I believe pastors should be bi-vocational with income coming from their role as a leader, just not at the level some have come to expect.  And if they only have one paying job, then it should be something other than the church.  Now here's a question to consider as well:  Should the church call the pastor?  or does the flock choose the shepherd?  A lot of things seem to be out of skew with what we see in scripture (Thank you Emperor Constantine).  I hope I did not suggest that a pastor should be prepared for the task before him ... he should understand the cost AND more importantly realize the strength and power of the ministry comes from the Lord.  Too often pastors act like 'People would much rather hear a sermon than see a sermon'.  Obviously that is not across the board.  Good comment Karen!

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@didache - I agree with you ... Scripture says 'each one' should bring something to the assembly ... not simply those on the stage or at the pulpit ... the setup of the sactuary with rows of pulpits looking at the backs of the heads of the person in front on you ... tends to not only make you passive and non-participatory in the assembly but in your walk of faith as well.  It becomes religion and routine.  Yes, as you say it is indeed to be a very interactive time.  The Holy Spirit gives us gifts for the edification and building up of one another.  Another key issue is that so many who are in the church (some say 75-80%) are not in a faith relationship with Christ ... yet we act and treat them as if they were.  That is where the chaos and confusion comes from ... excellent comment.

I did not run into that statistic on the porn in doing my research ... what a sad, sad story and statistic.  Only IN Christ Jesus do we understand.  It does indeed stare us in the face everywhere ... from TV, movies and Internet to billboards and magazines.  And I am not talking about what society would call porn ... but what God would call porn.  May the Lord strengthen us both in the battle!

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